Is there a problem with stackexchange community?

Question

For some reasons I though that stackexchange is a place where you can talk to experts. How is that possible, experts seem not to be willing to read or to understand: https://area51.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/27019/problem-with-the-crypocurrency-community (For me, it is very unprofessional way to describe different topics and communities/technology, it already is a provocation in it's statement)

I decided to create a new question here, where people are supposed not to have a problem understanding this topic.

We have here indeed experts who say that ion is the same as bitcoin: https://area51.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/27019/problem-with-the-crypocurrency-community

Now, as some experts do suggest that all coins and all topics of all coins should belong here . Great, lets try it out.

I do assume that those questions are offtopic here for this channel as well as some other channel like neocoin, ethereum and dodgecoin.

Here are my questions:

1. Reading through stackexchange proposal, I start to get a feeling that many experts do believe, ethereum is a blockchain or maybe that bitcoin is blockchain. Now my newbie :) question to the experts: Is bitcoin blockchain? If not, why should I believe to get a possibility to talk to experts?

2. What is a blockchain/ethereum/bitcoin/ion coin?

3. What has ion coin to do with bitcoin?

4. When ion coin was attacked, thief was stealing many coins. On bitcointalk trolls trolled about it. Nobody of bitcoin community steped in to help out. When we stopped the attack 2 things happened:

yobit was lying and claming that they lost 100 btc because nobody informed them about setting back the blockchain. This is not true, buth with for me yobit had a motive. Since months yobit was stealing ion on their platform and they never replied to anybody for hostaging coins, they banned those who asked.

Very funny was, when attack was prevented and fixes imlpemented, there was a setback in blockchain, which was also properly communicated. There is nobody known to me except same group of trolls on bitcointalk which were complaining very much about the setback and even were suggesting to let thief get his stolen coins, which is very curious. With that, there are already 2 actors which clearly show their motives in public, one of them seems to be supported not only by bitcoin community but a platform on bitcointalk is provided for such questionable agenda.

So far about thief and how bitcointalk's community was acting. Nobody came to help or even to try helping. Why not? Do bitcointalk devs follow any ethics and if which? Is it the same for ion?

Those facts can only tell me that no, neither bitcoin nor another coin should be in one channel, unless they are 100% identical (clones) where there is not known to me that there are 2 different coins, using different blockchains and at the end being the same. This is simply not possible.

Now I would like to ask some for sure off-topic questions, the point is that I would like you (bitcoin.stackexchange) channel to reply me if those are ontopic and if, then reply please:

1. What are electrons of ion coin?
2. What are atoms of ion coin?
3. What are masternodes of ion coin?
4. Is PoS the same which bitcoin uses? (I know this question is silly, for those who read and dont know, bitcoin uses PoW not PoS)
5. Can you explain me the difference of blackcoin's PoS2.0 and PoS3.0 and which and why is used for ion coin?
6. How does staking work in ion coin?
7. Why did bitcoin community never helped out ion, especially if it was attacked?
8. There is a ton of other coins outside which never implemented a fix, mostly because they do not know? Why does stackexchange community think, that this is on-topic for bitcoin's channel?

I guess I could continue with the list of off-topic questions but let's keep it simple, I think those question are enough to define if ion coin should be here, in this channel.

My opinion is that it is straight wrong to mix up coins in bitcoin's channel as well as it would produce only trash.

I was one of the people who stepped in to help them out, we applied a fix and implemented new algorithm which is publicly available. There are no ion developers who you could discuss some topics with, like how to shape MIDAS algo and how does such algorithm fit to a PoS coin. Beside that, there were many settings not properly set or lets say left as test values. Those are all topics which are very specific and have less to do with bitcoin.

I am sure, nobody here would mind to talk about those topics in details, as well as how and why we did what we did to implement a fix. However, stack exchange community is even the opinion that such question is just a copy of that: https://area51.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/27025/there-are-already-one-for-bitcoin-and-another-one-for-dodge-coin

I might be stupid, but can somebody of you point me out, how is the question the question and those answers a copy of: https://area51.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/27025/there-are-already-one-for-bitcoin-and-another-one-for-dodge-coin

I do not want to be rude, but for me it sounds more like if somebody who wrote it has not much knowledge about the topic, where I would gladly discuss about those questions, but I dont get it, how could Ion related questions, technical or simple, how can they be ontopic here?

That is the proposal: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/111266/ioncoin

That is troll thread, where bitcointalk moderator followed the agenda of trolls which included crime like doxxing, usage of stolen documents, instignation, theft and more which I really dont want to point out here. They also banned everybody who was trying to make any conversation, 378 pages of trolling and crime, enjoy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1443633.0

With such support of bitcoin community I understand that ion community does not see themself as "bitcoin". I guess it would raise their value a lot :), however, if it is really what bitcoin community on stackexchange thinks then I will gladly ask to take down the proposal and send all ion holders (beginners/devs) here to this channel. Would that be correct?

Answer 1

Reading through stackexchange proposal, I start to get a feeling that many experts do believe, ethereum is a blockchain or maybe that bitcoin is blockchain. Now my newbie :) question to the experts: Is bitcoin blockchain? If not, why should I believe to get a possibility to talk to experts?

Yes, Bitcoin is a blockchain. Ethereum is also a blockchain.

What is a blockchain/ethereum/bitcoin/ion coin?

A blockchain is a database with some synchronization and validation logic on top of it. It's usually but not always byzantine fault tolerant. It's usually but not always used to implement some kind of currency. 'Blockchain' is a really broad word.

Bitcoin is a blockchain which implements a currency and a simple scripting system.

Ethereum is a blockchain which implements a currency and a Turing-complete scripting system.

What has ion coin to do with bitcoin?

Ion seems to be a Bitcoin-based currency. Looking at one of the source files of Ion, there is a comment saying that the file was written by Pieter Wuille, one of the developers of Bitcoin.

When ion coin was attacked, thief was stealing many coins. On bitcointalk trolls trolled about it. Nobody of bitcoin community steped in to help out. When we stopped the attack 2 things happened:

yobit was lying and claming that they lost 100 btc because nobody informed them about setting back the blockchain. This is not true, buth with for me yobit had a motive. Since months yobit was stealing ion on their platform and they never replied to anybody for hostaging coins, they banned those who asked.

Very funny was, when attack was prevented and fixes imlpemented, there was a setback in blockchain, which was also properly communicated. There is nobody known to me except same group of trolls on bitcointalk which were complaining very much about the setback and even were suggesting to let thief get his stolen coins, which is very curious. With that, there are already 2 actors which clearly show their motives in public, one of them seems to be supported not only by bitcoin community but a platform on bitcointalk is provided for such questionable agenda.

So far about thief and how bitcointalk's community was acting. Nobody came to help or even to try helping. Why not? Do bitcointalk devs follow any ethics and if which? Is it the same for ion?

Why did members of the Bitcoin community not help? Speaking for myself, I didn't know that Ion was attacked at all. Further, there was no way I could have found out, since none of the blogs that I read would've covered it.

Do bitcointalk moderators have ethics? I assume so. Every time I've interacted with them, they have been friendly and nice.

Having never talked to Ion devs, I have no idea if they have any ethics.

Those facts can only tell me that no, neither bitcoin nor another coin should be in one channel, unless they are 100% identical (clones) where there is not known to me that there are 2 different coins, using different blockchains and at the end being the same. This is simply not possible.

Various members of the site have expressed that opinion. I see your point, but I don't agree.

Now I would like to ask some for sure off-topic questions, the point is that I would like you (bitcoin.stackexchange) channel to reply me if those are ontopic and if, then reply please:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 are on topic. 7 is off-topic, because it is argumentative and open-ended. (Even internally unified groups have multiple different motives for an action, and Bitcoin is not internally unified.) I don't understand question 8, (what fix?) so I can't tell you either way.

I was one of the people who stepped in to help them out, we applied a fix and implemented new algorithm which is publicly available. There are no ion developers who you could discuss some topics with, like how to shape MIDAS algo and how does such algorithm fit to a PoS coin. Beside that, there were many settings not properly set or lets say left as test values. Those are all topics which are very specific and have less to do with bitcoin.

Yes, that's a weakness of this system. If no-one on the site knows the answer to your question, it won't be answered.

But you can change that, you know. If there's a critical mass of people who know how the unique parts of Ion work, and they ask and answer questions about it, then questions will get answered.

I am sure, nobody here would mind to talk about those topics in details, as well as how and why we did what we did to implement a fix. However, stack exchange community is even the opinion that such question is just a copy of that: [..]

I might be stupid, but can somebody of you point me out, how is the question the question and those answers a copy of: [..]

Both questions are of the form, "Given that we have all of these cryptocurrency websites, why don't we merge them into one big site?"

I do not want to be rude, but for me it sounds more like if somebody who wrote it has not much knowledge about the topic, where I would gladly discuss about those questions, but I dont get it, how could Ion related questions, technical or simple, how can they be ontopic here?

We have a list of things that are on topic: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic

Also, you might want to read the tour page: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/tour

That is troll thread, where bitcointalk moderator followed the agenda of trolls which included crime like doxxing, usage of stolen documents, instignation, theft and more which I really dont want to point out here. They also banned everybody who was trying to make any conversation, 378 pages of trolling and crime, enjoy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1443633.0

I don't want to read 300 pages of a thread. It doesn't sound relevant to what we're discussing.

Answer 2

Bitcoin.SE is a site to collect questions and answers about cryptocurrencies. Some other projects in the space have felt that their use cases and user bases are sufficiently different to create their own sites and have successfully done so.

If you want to establish a new cryptocurrency as a topic on Bitcoin.SE, I would suggest that you ask and answer a few questions about it here. Content on Bitcoin.SE is organized by tags such as ion. If we don't have a tag for it yet and you don't have enough reputation to create one yet, feel free to request one to be created by flagging for "moderator attention". Once there is a tag for your topic, you should subscribe to receive email notifications when new questions are asked about the topic. Whenever you see interesting questions about the topic that are on-topic here, feel free to post them as your own question here and answer them. You could then link them to get people here, or might get some people searching the web to find them, this may attract more activity for the tag.

Answer 3

For some reasons I though that stackexchange is a place where you can talk to experts.

Others my disagree, but I feel that this is what you are mistaken about.

I feel that a lot of people make the mistake that Bitcoin SE is a site for conversations...but it's not. It's a site where users are dedicated to building a useful repository of answers to the many questions that come up in realm of cryptocurrencies. It's a community with a goal and a purpose, and therefore some rules need to be enforced. Conversations still happen, but they should be based on providing accurate information to each other, not in arguing a point or expressing opinions.

We are certainly not the center of the Bitcoin/blockchain community, and I don't feel that is the goal. Our niche in the community is more about building a reference for people to find the information they are searching for. Some people confuse this site as a place to pitch their ideas (like BIPs) or hold long, opinionated conversations. That type of activity does not suit our goals, so it is discouraged. There are plenty of other forums for that sort of thing, but this isn't one of them.

Starting with a question about cryptocurrencies, a good rule of thumb for what is on-topic would be "does this question lead to an answer that someone else may one day be searching for". Questions like

Why did bitcoin community never helped out ion, especially if it was attacked?

clearly don't lead in that direction. This is an unaswerable, loaded question, and the most traffic it will receive would be a fight in the comments. It's not appropriate for this forum.

Even so, it doesn't hurt to try asking an off-topic question, so long as they aren't inflammatory. Stack Exchange is community moderated, and off-topic questions get closed and voted down rather quickly. If this community decides a question is off topic, don't feel hurt or discouraged. You can learn from the comments and the reason for closing, and then post on-topic questions. This community welcomes new questions, and certainly new sub-topics, but it's the people posting questions and answers here who ultimately decide whether the question is appropriate for this forum.